The new podcast exploring AI, work, and what it means to stay human.
AI is changing how we work, build, and create — fast.
But beneath the hype and headlines, founders and operators are quietly figuring out what actually works.
Uncomplicated: Humans vs Machines is a podcast about those conversations — the honest, human side of building in the AI era.
Each week, Carly Jefferson sits down with founders, creators, and thinkers to explore how AI is shaping their work, their teams, and their choices — what’s working, what’s breaking, and what’s next.
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Episode 2 — Don’t Underestimate the Outlier with Trip O’Dell
The kid they said wouldn’t go to college went on to design products for hundreds of millions — and now he’s tackling a $3.8 trillion problem.
Trip O’Dell, co-founder and CEO of 5xFive, calls himself “OG neurodivergent from 1979.” In this episode, he explains why the real issue with AI isn’t automation — it’s understanding. We explore how neurodivergent thinking fuels innovation, why technology should amplify human intelligence (not replace it), and what leaders get wrong about automation.
Episode 1 — Doing Beats Thinking with Sophie Theodorou
What happens when you stop overthinking AI and just start using it?
Sophie Theodorou, founder of Teach2AI, shares how she went from teaching middle-school math to training global teams at Adobe, Samsung, and Google. Her “learning by doing” mindset turned curiosity into a 100K-strong community — and a viral video that made $40K overnight. Sophie breaks down how to use AI as a collaborator, not a crutch, and why authenticity beats perfection when it comes to growth.